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    Posted: 05 Mar 2010 at 10:06am
Should we all be allowed to get our cup of coffee at Starbucks while toting a gun for all to see as long as we apply for a license to carry a gun? 
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Yes, if there are open carry laws in that state. IMO, there should be open carry laws in every state.
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So do you think everyone should be able to walk into their local convenience store packing heat in New York City?  (playing devil's advocate) If your answer is yes, please explain your answer in detail. 
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I say no.  I come from a country where gun ownership is not your given right. Consequently, the only people who carry guns in public are police and criminals.
 
IMHO there is no place for handguns in the city. The country is a different matter. 
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It's interesting seeing how other countries handle things differently.

I'd be curious to see what the crime rate is in your country and compare it to the US. 
 
It's also interesting that with all of these little social experiments going on over the world (what works and what doesn't), things will change, for example, need for guns or no need for guns.  For example, whether we realize it now or not, the internet has a great impact on how people are going to react psychologically in real-life.  What I'm tryin to say is over time, factors within our society create a never-ending need to change the rules as we go. 
 
A society which grows and becomes highly dependent on governing bodies, will require more whereas a more independent society may require less governing; however, looking at how all countries evolve, it appears that there's no getting around more and more governing.  It would take a major catastrophe to bring us back to a truly free country, but is that what people really want?  I think, whether aware of it or not, everyone is just looking for security ( al beit job, home, government) and with that need comes growth.
 
I'm rambling.. LOL!!   Okay, I'll shut up now.
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If it is legal then yes you should be allowed to carry the weapon, it is the law if there is an open carry law. I don't know that I would carry a weapon into a Starbucks, I myself have never set foot into a Starbucks as I don't drink coffee. I might carry a concealed weapon if I lived in certain areas,  but not out in the open, and I wouldn't feel the need to carry a weapon where I live now.
 
We live in a small town in the country and we do have weapons, there are coyotes, wolves, raccoons, possums, all kinds of animals around here that kill pets and livestock. However, we have lived in both small towns and large cities and actually felt the need to purchase weapons while living in the city for home defense. This was when we lived in Norfolk, VA, and Atlanta. Today, if I lived in Atlanta, I would consider carrying a concealed weapon (if it was legal, I don't know if it is or not). I don't feel the need to carry a concealed weapon where I live now.
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In Australia, you are NOT allowed to defend yourself with a weapon if someone breaks into your home. There have been cases here where people have clobbered an intruder with a baseball bat only to be charged with assault. 
 
Our laws are wrong on so many levels considering the violence in society with home invansions on the rise, knife crime is at an all time high, even car jackings are starting to happen more regularly.
If we were allowed to carry guns our entire criminal code would need to be rewritten to allow for self defense with a weapon.
 
I have a farm and I had to buy a gun for vermin control. It is not easy to get a gun licence in Australia and once you have one, the police make regular inspections to see you have it stored correctly.
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I live in Oklahoma, we have a "castle law", we ARE allowed to defend ourselves if someone comes forcefully into our residence, porch, or any other building on our property such as a shed, garage, barn, that type thing, this also includes your vehicle or any motor homes, tents or anything like that. We are allowed to defend ourselves against intruders if we feel threatened.
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Yes, you should be able to carry a gun to a convenience store. I am so glad to live in a country where we have a constitution that enumerates our rights or what the government cannot do to infringe upon them. I remember being told once, "If we don't use our rights we will lose them." The men going to Starbucks, in open carry states, are using their rights.
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The law in Australia says you can use reasonable force to remove someone illegally in your home. The problem for us is "reasonable force" doesn't include guns, knives, baseball bats and other handy implements.
 
I suppose we are all expected to be kung fu or karate experts to disarm a dude with a gun or knife who is intent on entering your house.
 
As I said in my previous post, I have a gun. I'm required to keep it in a locked, approved gun safe, with ammunition to be stored in a different location in another locked box or safe. In my situation the gun safe is in the garage and the ammo is in a safe in the bedroom.
 
Even if I wanted to use my gun to defend myself I'd first have to get it from the garage then go into the bedroom and load it.......... In other words, there aint no way I can use my gun.
 
A cop told me that our storage regulations are there for when someone goes off the rails and kills someone with a gun so they can say it was premediated because he had to go to 2 locations to get his firearm and ammo.
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You said in a previous post that home invasions, knife crimes and car jacking is on the rise. Is this since they made guns more difficult to own legally? If your answer is yes, are there any moves to lift the gun control restrictions?
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We used to have 'less restrictive' gun control laws up until the Port Arthur massacre on 28th April 1996.  Shortly after that event, in which 35 people died and 21 injured, our PTB (powers that be) decided banning handguns, semi auto rifles and shotguns, was the right move. There was an amnesty, where they paid you cash for guns and then a total ban.  Its been like that since
 
As I said earlier, the only people that carry guns now are cops and crims. Crime is on the increase full stop. Crims that can't get guns now use knives. 
 
They will never lift or ease gun restrictions, not without significant political invovlvement of sporting shooters and lobby groups, who at present have little or no voice in Australian politics.
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That's too bad. I read about the Port Arthur massacre on Wiki and it said that Tasmania and Queensland were against gun control prior to this tragedy. It's sad when politicians exploit a tragedy, like a crazed gunman or piloting an airplane into a building, to advance their agenda.   Happens all the time.
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Colorado has a "Make My Day Law".  If someone breaks into your home you can shoot them and I will!  I would carry in plain sight if in the mountains...mountain lions and bears have attacked people.  But to carry in plain sight in my local 7/11 not a good idea unless we are in an emergency situation and I am threatened with bad times.
 
When you ban the purchase of guns then only the bad guys will have guns!  Just the way it is.
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